Few concerns

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Hanibal
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Re: Few concerns

Postby Hanibal » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:48 pm

NiteHawk wrote:The values with no div bonuses on a 25 str and a purple level 25 dagger with brill is:
Not DW:463-553
DW: 509-609

Already here the value is a fair amount compared to others. Yeah zerkers can achieve this too and potentially can get a little higher, but they are also way more random too. That involves at minimum 3 successful hits in PVP and with a HO its not a common feat.

Let's take the above, give it radiant, and give it a humming bonus too:
Not DW: 485-575
DW:534-633

Let's take the max, add +0.2 for the potential necklaces.
NOT DW:488-579
DW: 537-637

Let's add divinities, we'll only do 3% shards, which are more common now. So 3% with one dagger and 6% with two plus the 10% self bonus:
NOT DW:552-654
DW: 623-739

What about 5% shards, though this is probably the most rare you can get:
NOT DW: 562-666
DW: 645-765




P.S. a saurian with a humming radiant dagger, without divinity is 486-576 with only 22.2 str. so its that vs 537-637 25.2 str. Saurians didn't lose much though, probably the 30 damage around.



Problem is not everyone can afford pp items or is attached to a large guild and can run around with someone to buff them, my point which has been missed is slayers are weak and by not being able to pot made them weaker.

Like I said earlier, i have 2 very good daggers on my one slayer and he rarely hits for over 500 and to land two bs's in succession its very rare, also factor in most classes have well over 1000 hps, double bsing someone and killing them isnt going to happen,unless they were already low on hps of course.
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Re: Few concerns

Postby NiteHawk » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:27 am

But PP daggers don\t really make the item. These daggers aren't even radiant. It's only OAD level. Blue daggers would probably be close to the numbers here too. Long as its a level 25 dagger. I am literally using a level 25 purple dagger. I'm not sure if you guys think PP items are super op or something, they really aren't. Devils Horn I believe is a purple 25er dagger. Hell the devils horn you have on the saurian slayer is pretty close to a radiant dagger. This is with your char I assume you talking about 22str saurry>

NPC On div
You BACKSTAB a fire dummy with your devils horn for 581 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a fire dummy with your devils horn for 605 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a fire dummy with your devils horn for 581 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a fire dummy with your swift strike for 605 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a fire dummy with your swift strike for 581 points of damage!
You cannot hide for 0.13 more seconds!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a fire dummy with your swift strike for 605 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a fire dummy with your devils horn for 629 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a fire dummy with your swift strike for 532 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a fire dummy with your swift strike for 581 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a fire dummy with your swift strike for 605 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a fire dummy with your devils horn for 605 points of damage!

NPC No div
You BACKSTAB a water dummy with your devils horn for 472 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a water dummy with your swift strike for 566 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a water dummy with your swift strike for 521 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a water dummy with your devils horn for 589 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a water dummy with your devils horn for 589 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a water dummy with your swift strike for 566 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a water dummy with your devils horn for 472 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB a water dummy with your devils horn for 589 points of damage!

PvP div w/ 85 armor
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 577 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your swift strike for 554 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 488 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 554 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your swift strike for 554 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 554 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your swift strike for 554 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your swift strike for 554 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your swift strike for 510 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your swift strike for 554 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 532 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 488 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your swift strike for 554 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 577 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 462 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your swift strike for 554 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 532 points of damage!


PVP no div w/ 85 armor
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your swift strike for 457 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 519 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 541 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 478 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your swift strike for 519 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 478 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 499 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 457 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 499 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 519 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your swift strike for 478 points of damage!
You hide stealthily in the shadows...
You BACKSTAB NiteHawkTest2 with your devils horn for 541 points of damage!


I'm not sure what the issue really is. Is it that you can't round people? That would make slayers pretty OP if they could just round people constantly, specially because no one else will really be able to do it as they can. The damage byfar is still good. hits for 480 are still fine IMO too, thats still 480x2 if you hit twice. That seems OK to me for 22 STR specially when sword users, for example a knight, get a regular base of around 143-186 with 22str.

Your hitrate is the same as everyone elses bar knights. With an average of 30-50% HR for any hit, not just backstabs, it's harder to land two in a row, yeah. If this was actually raised it would break team combat and everyone would be killing everyone with no effort. You really can only balance it for team fights vs solo. I attempted to do somewhere in the middle, but that means solo pking is going to be harder. Honestly though, because of the way the mechanics work its similar to ROK where you can simply run off fairly quick.

I think more the issue stems with that levelers can simply run. The actual damage and fights are good when they actually stick around (25er vs 25er or whatnot) and if you give them stupid amounts of damage when they are already getting one of the higher damage bases it will break PVP badly. In other games you typically can't move for a few seconds after you attack, and attacks are normally automated (set and forget). You only break out of attack when you realize and often it'll take a little bit of time etc. However if you balance for only people who run then you break proper PVP too. It is fairly harder to kill when they run in a round.

I'm not sure what the solution is, I doubt it is raising damage though. Maybe per level AGI needs to be more effective, maybe there needs to be a nomove mechanic (which i dont think would solve it anyways, only gives you a round really regardless, you cant set it over 8-10 seconds and tbh that would prob be annoying.) etc


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